Another wee quandary in my Family. William & Ada married & I have followed them to 1939 & beyond. TNA-R39-_0115_0115H_009. Unable to get online help from other sources. My query is her husband William Thomas ? or William Henry Thomas with the Henry added later for the Fathers of both of his parents? As there are still living family I don't want to splash the surname in case of offending any-one that I haven't contacted. The clues should set any searches on the right path. I just want to be sure to give cousin's hubby the correct parents. Caroline has no obvious connection to my own family line. Questions rose after GRO index accessibility & 1939 image. Very obliged to anyone who can prove relationships for me. ............... Marriages Dec 1922 St.Olave - so unable to see names of fathers. surname,_William H.T.(b.Dec.1896) + surname _, Ada (b.Apr 1899) -St. Olave 1d-269 = 1st cousin x 1 removed. b.dates from 1939 reg. --------- These are the BMDS I have found for the same name. ------------- [Surname],_ WILLIAM HENRY THOMAS x COLLINS GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in ST OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 303 ----------------------------------- Surname: [surname]_ WILLIAM THOMAS GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 239 [so not likely to be born ion 1 Dec. 1896 eh?] ......... William _ & Caroline _ marry 1895 St.Olave. 1d-440 pts Harry & James Henry ......... All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 William Ths._ son of pts Will'm & Caroline. 22 July 1896 Bapt.St.Crispin Bermondsey . ......... Marriages Dec 1922 [surname],_ William H.T.+ Ada -St. Olave 1d-269 ........ 1911 William Thomas _[surname] 14 b.1897 2 Tain Cottages, Church Road, Lower Tottenham N Res. Tottenham Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 7312; .......... So far looking as if I have keyed in the wrong parents.
I am not convinced that this is the same chap as in 1939. This William's occupation is that of an office clerk in the office of a journalist. In 1939 he is a waterman, lighterman and bargeman dealing in wholesale fish.
He might be the lad on this 1911 census. As his mother is just recorded as Mrs, that is of no help whatsoever... RG14, PN1914, RD24, SD3, ED1, SN66 Mum's a boarder and working as a housekeeper. States that she is married but no husband in evidence...
Thanks Jan, you see my dilemma? I did wonder if he was the son of 'Ms' Collins. no further data as hers seems to fit the GRO registration. Marriages Jun 1896 COLLINS Hannah Maria L. married _ William Edward St. Saviour 1d-280 Hannah Maria Lucas Collins Spouse Age: 20 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 May 1896 Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth Borough: Southwark Father Name: Henry _surname Spouse Father: Collins .......................... Births Jun 1876 COLLINS Hannah Maria L. St. Saviour 1d-49 ........................ Mother's Maiden Surname: COLLINS, HANNAH MARIA LUCAS x SHOULT GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Marriages Mar 1867 Collins, Thomas William + SHOULT, Clara Ann Bermondsey 1d-113 More venues to discover.
According to this census, Mum had been married for 15 years, making it the 1896 as you mention above. Therefore, it looks like Mum is Hannah Maria L and Dad is William Edward. This makes her about 19/20 when she wed, which also fits with the age in the 1911 census that I found.
By the way - don't get confused between Southwark, St Saviour, St Olave and Bemondsey. They all merged at various times with St Olave (Bermondsey) and St Olave (Southwark) joining forces. More explained here
Oo-ooooooooh! Jan,must admit to believing you are correct. I think I held onto the other hoping to make a connection between Caroline's family & mine. Another oldie to demolish & redo. I so love the GRO index added to the 1939 Register. but so much work. Pity I didn't do it right in the beginning. Thanks Jan.
Just been having a wander through the 1911 census and there is a Thomas William who is a Thames Lighterman, the occupation of William in 1939. Tried to find William Edward in 1911 but to no avail. However.... I was wondering if Thomas William was a brother of William Edward - keeping the occupation in the family, young William being Thomas William's nephew. Just a thought.... Also, if William Edward was missing in 1911 (his wife being recorded just as Mrs but still married) he might be out on his barge/boat somewhere and so missed off. It would help if we could find them in 1901 though....
This was one which had me wondering earlier on.: Hannah M. Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William E. _ Birth Place: Camberwell, London, England Civil Parish: Rotherhithe William E._ 23 Hannah M. 24 Willm E. 4 Henry T. 2 Source Citation Class: RG13; Piece: 399; Folio: 118; Page: 54 but ages out.
By jove, I think we do Jan. All ages out tho' I may have to go to bed & ponder a while. Thanks jan for being here. did I mention that a William _was boarding with the Collins family in 1891at Westminster Class: RG12; Piece: 86; Folio: 102; Page: 11; of course it may be an entirely different family ciao & Goodnight all.
Looks like the right one - born in Horsleydown in both 1901 and 1891. In 1881, he is with mum Rosina and dad Henry (who is a lighterman ) at RG11, piece 564, folio 116, page 10. Just as a matter of interest, I checked for a marriage between Henry and Rosina and found them in the March quarter of 1875, St Olave, volume 1d, page 290. Rosina's maiden name? SHOULT! I knew that I had seen that name before - see your post #4 above! At this point I shall leave you to your ruminations.
Another Rosina! love that name. Thank you Jan, I hope this all kept you out of mischief. I'm going to renounce the persons so far occupying parents status & insert new findings. Will contact known cousin & see if he can offer any other relly who may have dabbled in his side of Family & heard of these names. It may keep him out of mischief too. I may just outlay for marriage cert. on this one for my own piece of mind as the Mother of Ada [my Gt. Aunt] is a bit special to me. Can't wait for my next adventure into GRO.
