Grandparents and beyond

Both sides on my fathers side were Amlwch they had a paint/ hardware store

 

1881 census of Llandyfrydog, Amlwch (RG11/5589, folio 4, page 3) shows the following family living at Tycoed:

William ROBERTS Head Mar 42 Chandler Anglesey
Ann do Wife Mar 38 do Wife do
William do Son 15 Scholar do
Robert do Son 12 do do
Hugh do Son 8 do do

1871 census of Llandfrydog (RG10/5745, folio 12, page 15) shows William ROBERTS aged 32, a Miner born Llandfrydog, wife Anne aged 28 born Llandfrydog, son Robert aged 2 born Llandfrydog living at Tyn Goed with 2 unmarried boarders who are Dressmakers, namely a Mary ROBERTS aged 26 born Llandfrydog & a Mary HUGHES aged 19 born Carnarvonshire.

This could perhaps be William ROBERTS in the 1861 census of Llandfrydog (RG9/4365, folio 9, page 15):

Agnes ROBERTS Head Widow 62 Farmer Anglesey Llandfrydog
Robert do Son Unmar 25 Miner Copper do do
William do Son do 21 do do do
Mary do Daur do 18 Servant do do
Margaret do Daur 10 do do

FindmyPast, which is a pay per view site, has many Welsh parish register images available to view online, amongst which are some for Llandfrydog & Amlwch. They do have the baptismal record of the William ROBERTS I have found in the 1861-1881 census records at Llandfrydog in 1838. I cannot give you full details because of their terms & conditions but it might perhaps be worth your while to search their records to see if any are applicable to your research. But you do need the marriage certificate of William & Margaret to obtain the names of their fathers and their professions to make sure you are tracking back the correct line as ROBERTS is a pretty common surname.

Janet

 

Thank your your help but that is the wrong one sorry

 

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   Another in 1911 was in Amlwch:
   1911
   Griffith Roberts
   Age in 1911: 9
   Estimated birth year: abt 1902
   Relation to Head: Son
   Birth Place: Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
   William Roberts 45 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
   Margaret Roberts 45 Llandudno, Pawarshire
   Annie Roberts 19
   John M Roberts 13
   Richie Roberts 11
   Griffith Roberts 9
   Source Citation
   Class: RG14; Piece: 34571; Schedule Number: 142
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   1939
   Bee Hive Queen Street, Amlwch U.D., Anglesey, Wales
   Richard Roberts 16 Dec 1899 works in a Tobacconist Shop
   William Roberts 10 Aug 1865 is a Shopkeeper- Paint Store
   Margaret Roberts 07 Mar 1866 Home Duties
   Annie Roberts 03 Sep 1891 is a Shop Assistant- Paint store
   Not sighted Griffith & Mary yet.
   
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James, have you seen this site at all? You may recognise people that we do not.

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http://newspapers.library.wales/

I have some info but wish to have it checked before posting so have sent you a message in private conversation.

 

Today's offering James, checked by a local Laddie for us.
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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Chapel Street, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
Margaret Roberts- mariner's Wife-40 1831 -Anglesey, Wales
Ellen Roberts Daughter-13 1858 -Anglesey, Wales
William Roberts Son -5 1866 -Anglesey, Wales
Mary Prichard Servant-40 1831 -Anglesey, Wales ???? different age.
RG10/5747/23/page 7
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1861
Name: Ellen Roberts
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's name: Margaret Roberts: Seaman's wife, marine service***
Where born: Llaneilian, Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Amlwch
Grace Owen 60 b.1811
Margaret Roberts 29,b.1832 dtr of Grace Owen
Ellen Roberts 3 b.1858 dtr of Margaret.
Mary Pritchard 40 sister - Single parish pauper- Llaneilian, Anglesey
Source Citation
Class: RG9; Piece: 4367; Folio: 24; Page: 18;
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1851
Mary Pritchard abt 1822 b. Llandyfrydog, Anglesey, Wales - Servant Amlwch, Anglesey
Elizabeth Owen 21,William Owen 16,Richard Owen 14,Thomas Owen 7, Evan Owen 4,Francis Owen 2,Hugh Owen 18,John Owen 26,Robert Jones 19,
Evan Jones 21,
Mary Prichard 29
Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 2521; Folio: 359; Page: 7;
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1841 Chapel st.
Name: Mary Pritchard
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish: Amlwch
Hundred: Twrcelyn
County/Island: Anglesey
Mary Pritchard 20
Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 1362; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Amlwch; County: Anglesey; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 8; Page: 7; Line: 15
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1841 Wales Census
Name: Grace Owen
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Where born: Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish: Llaneilian
Hundred: Twrcelyn
County/Island: Anglesey
John Owen 70,Grace Owen 40,Margret Owen 14,Hugh Owen 9,
Source Citation
Class: HO107; Piece: 1362; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Llaneilian; County: Anglesey; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 6; Page: 4; Line: 14;
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Grace Prichard
Birth year 1802
Baptism year 14 Nov.1802
Place Llanynghenedl ??
County Anglesey- Wales
Father's first name Lewis
Mother's first name -
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Mary Prichard
Birth year 1823
Baptism date 10 Jun 1823
Baptism place AMLWCH,ANGLESEY,WALES
Father Lewis Prichard -mariner
Mother Mary
Place Amlwch
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I think I forgot a bit :
Marriages Dec 1858
Owen Margaret Anglesey 11b-1027
Roberts William Anglesey 11b-1027
Perhaps Ellen's pts.

 

How do I go further on this

 

Great info but nothing stands out. My great great grandfather William roberts had the paint shop called beehive in 1911. He also had the first motorcycle on Anglesey but drawing blanks there. My grandfather on my dads mothers side was cpt James Hughes a mariner

 

I didn't look into the Maternal Hughes side James, just concentrated on going back with William etc.
Not surprised that nothing 'stands out' if you don't know family before William & Margaret with the paint shop. Think on it & see if it fits. do you have any other rellies to confer with?

 

James,

Could this be your family in the 1901 census of Amlwch (RG13/5293, folio 46, page 17). For some reason I couldn't find them when searching on their names (our broadband was going up and down like a yo yo yesterday) but a search for ROBERTS at the Bee Hive in Amlwch brought this up today:

61 Mona Street

William ROBERTS Head M 35 House Painter Anglesey Llandyfrydog
Maggie do Wife M 35 Carnarvonshire Llainrhos
Willie do Son 10 Anglesey Llandyfrydog
Annie do Daur 9 do do
Bobby do Son 5 do Amlwch
Johnny do Son 3 do do
Richie do Son 1 do do

William is described as an Employer at home in this census as he is in the 1911 census.

1891 census of Llandyfrydog (RG12/4677, folio 4, page 2)

Tyngongl

William ROBERTS Head M 25 Painter Anglesey Llandyfrydog
Margaret do Wife M 24 Carnarvonshire Llandudno
William do Son 10 months Anglesey Llandyfrydog
Robert do Brother S 21 Painter do do

If this is your William & Margaret, and he does have the same profession as the father of Griffith in the 1911 census, then the 1891 census tells us that he has a brother Robert aged 21, and searching in the 1881 census for brothers William & Robert ROBERTS born Llandyfrydog leads back to the William & Ann ROBERTS I mentioned in post 22 as possibly being their parents. This theory will only be proved/disproved by the marriage record of William & Margaret. Do you actually already have this record which would disprove the fact that William & Ann could be the grandparents of Griffith?

Janet

 

An absolute necessity
Even so with the amount of same names the proving will be difficult.

 

Yes I agree, Wendy, but I am hoping the profession of William's father on his marriage certificate will narrow it down a bit. Llandyfrydog doesn't seem too big a place and although there are several William ROBERTS born c1866 there, I could only find 1 Robert ROBERTS born c1870 in the census records so fingers crossed and here's hoping that this is James' family in the 1891/1901 census records!

Janet

 

Checking FreeBMD against GRO lists was not ultra helpful tho'. One birth in 1870 was not found on GRO.
I tried 1869-1871 Oh fun.

 

William and gryffydd did have the same profession as far as I know

 

Yes these details are correct