I'm attempting to tidy up my records, checking data with the copies of documents etc especially from earlier on when I was all ignorance and enthusiasm. I've found a few clangers and here's another one. Anne Chilvers, daughter of Thomas & Sarah Chilvers (nee Brown) born 21st June 1806, baptised 11th April 1808 at Dickleburgh. (have copy). Anne Chilvers, daughter of Charles and Mary Chilvers Parish Record Page 2 No 10 29th June 1813. of Dickleburgh, Labourer. G Gillbank Rector. (have copy). I have possible birth 1806, think I got that from 1841 census which may be wrong. Now for the confusing bit. I have them both married to John Cole. Dickleburgh Parish Marriage records Page 27, No 75. John Cole single man and Ann Chilvers single woman, both of Dickleburgh parish, were married by banns 15th April 1828, Both made their mark and the witnesses were Mary White, who signed and John Cooper who made his mark. I can't find anything to identify which Ann married John Cole, but I certainly know he didn't have two wives both named Ann Chilvers. Could someone help sort my latest problem? Thanks Sandra Still have the enthusiasm, just a bit lacking in time lately.
Going by the entries on F.Search : England Marriages, 1538–1973 Ann Chilvers married:John Cole 15 April 1828 Dickleburgh, Norfolk, England spouse: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Ann Chilvers christening:11 September 1808 Dickleburgh, Norfolk, England Pts:Thomas Chilvers+ Sarah and England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Ann Chilvers christening: 29 June 1813 Dickleburgh, Norfolk, England Pts: Charles Chilvers:Mary The first Ann (of Thomas & Sarah) would seem a more marriagable age in 1828 than the 2nd. (unless a minor was mentioned or special permit/ license)
Just viewed 1841 cnsus for Ann Cole & John: HO107/758/book 3/19/4 There is a 79 yr old Sarah Chilvers of ind. means living with them. Looks good for Thomas & Sarah as Parents. ps: F.Search has two entries for Ann Chilvers marriage to John Cole with different film numbers & reference numbers, which may be from PR & BT records for same Lass.
Suddenly no 'edit' access on posts so this is for the above: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02309-3 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1471004 , Reference ID: item 7 Items 1-5, Items 6-8: Bishop's transcripts for the Archdeaconry of Norfolk, 1686-1941 Author: Church of England. Archdeaconry of Norfolk; Norfolk and Norwich Record Office (Norwich, England) Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02326-2 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1951633 , Reference ID: item 4 p 25 Items 1 - 9: Parish registers for Dickleburgh, 1540-1911 Author: Church of England. Parish Church of Dickleburgh (Norfolk); Norfolk and Norwich Record Office (Norwich, England)
thanks. Sarah is the widow of Thomas and mother of an Ann but Sarah has a double line entry before her name, thought that meant new household, when I check the entries in the pages, it looks more like a tally mark, so it could be a link to Ann. I had hoped somewhere there would be a reference to Ann's father on a marriage record. I've taken quantum leaps before and am desperately trying to stop myself doing it again. Sandra
Sandra,if you look at other entries in 1841, the double line for last resident is before the last person in the household, where I think the single dash means same house different family maybe or rooms rents. A Sarah Chilvers died in Depwade reg. district in 1844- covers Dickleburg.
Couldn't help myself Sandra, added these to the list which you probably already have, the last bits of anyway.: Name: Thomas Chilvers Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1784 Marriage Place: Dickleborough, Norfolk, England Spouse: Sarah Brown FHL Film Number: 1526814 Reference ID: item 8 also: FHL Film Number: 1951633 Reference ID: item 2 p 44 Banns? Name: Thos. Chilvers Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1784 Marriage Place: Dickleburgh, Norfolk, England Spouse: Sarah Brown FHL Film Number: 1951633 Reference ID: item 2 p 33 ..... Name: Thomas Chilvers Spouse: Sarah Brown Chilvers Child: John Chilvers + Child: Samuel Chilvers ................. Name: Thomas Chilvers Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1762 Baptism Place: Billingford (near Scole), Norfolk, Pts: Thomas Chilvers + Judith FHL Film Number: 2262381 Reference ID: p 88 .............. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Birth, Baptism & Christening Name: Thomas Chilvers Baptism: 25 Jul 1762 - Billingford (near Scole), Norfolk, England [actually Scole is closer to dickleburg] ........ Ann Cole died 1844 June 1/4 ......... Marriages Dec 1846 Cole John + Hambling Elizabeth at Depwade 13-103 1851=HO107; Piece: 1821; Folio: 222; Page: 7
thanks for that. Obviously transcription error with 2 marriage dates If I can presume that Ann was he daughter of Thomas & Sarah, it would be based on the 1841 census only. The Chilvers lived with Howlett's Aldous, Bartram's and other Chilvers, sometimes without close relationship during the 17 &1800's, so would like to find some other collaborating document. Would there be anywhere else that would identify Ann's father? thanks for your info, Wendy, a couple of new bits to follow up. Sandra
Sandra if you mean the Sept & Oct marriage dates, I would think one refers to Banns. I have seen such before referring to Banns as marriage date in indexes. Maybe tracing Samuel or John supposed sibs of Ann may connect somewhere, perhaps a child named after her. My mind on house cleaning at moment must not stray for a while, came in to do a job for Himself.
Sandra, ancestry has a tree beginning with Thomas Chilvers Thomas CHILVERS 1734 – 1812 - said Father of Thomas Chilvers Birth Abt. 1762 in Billingford, Norfolk, England Death Abt. 1829 in Dickleburgh, Norfolk, England with several more children all of whom can be found on F.Search. Oddly Ann is the only one whose Bapt. does not state Sarah Brown as Mother.
Lots of baptisms for Cole and Chilvers at Dicklesburgh All Saints at the Norfolk Baptism Project Website. Unfortunately they start at 1813, so don't know if any help to you.
Thanks. This Thomas married Judith Websdeal, have copy of the Parish record. Coincidentally John Chilvers (Ann's brother) also has father Thomas, mother Ann on one of his records - all others, including baptism, have Sarah Brown.
