I have found the following family in the 1851 census in Liverpool HO107, Piece 2177, Folio 27, Page 4. Though Jane and their daughter Jane are written as Jean, I put that down to maybe Thomas told the enumerator their names and with his Scottish accent Jane sounded like Jean. They were to sail from Liverpool later that year to New York. I can't find them in the 1841 though. They were married in Stepney in 1834. Thomas Moffat Scott born c1809 Selkirk, Scotland - Baker Jane Munroe Scott born c1815 Rotherhithe, Surrey John Scott born c1836 Rotherhithe, Surrey Jane Scott born c 1838 St Clements, Middlesex
Daughter Helen's place of birth in 1851 is given as St. Giles, Middlesex, born about 1842, so they were probably still in that area for the '41 census. Will carry on looking.
Without studying a map as my knowledge of London/Middlesex parishes and areas is not 100% , it is worth bearing in mind that some places are missing from the 1841 census for a variety of reasons. These are the ones in Middlesex: St Luke West Finsbury Golden-Lane Old Street Whitecross-Street Paddington Kensington (part) Brompton Kensall Green (part)
My knowledge of London/Middlesex is poor also. Jane and Helen's births were registered Strand Union district, mmn Ross. The Scotts are starting to make me a little bleary-eyed...
Well I've found something although not the census entry. My lot were in St Clement Danes in the 1840's and extraordinarily 5 entries down from my Elizabeth is an Ellen Scott. Details from FMP's Westminster Baptism collections are: St Clement Danes, 20th February 1842: Ellen, daughter of Thomas Moffat & Jane Scott of 15 Lumber Court. Father's occupation; Baker. ...and then there is this> St Clement Danes, 18th October 1840: Helen, daughter of Thomas Moffat & Jane Scott of 24 White Horse Yard. Father's occupation; Baker. I'll keep scouting around.
Just found this> St Clement Danes, 25th December 1837: Jane Emma, daughter of Thomas & Jane Scott of 28 Holywell Street. Father's occupation; Baker.
There doesn't seem to be an obvious burial for Ellen in St Clement Danes Parish. I haven't checked my maps yet, but the parishes of St Clement Danes and St Giles in the Fields, which have a common boundary, both have networks of 'rookery'-type alleyways and courts which might account for Bay Horses's find that Helen's birthplace was in St Giles' parish (post 2). On the other hand the family could easily have moved just a short way away for a time for that to be correct.
Ellen Scott registered 1842 Q2 St. Giles in the Fields and St. George Bloomsbury, otherwise Bloomsbury.
Well I've found Lumber Court and it was in the parish of St Giles in the Fields. It's what is now called Tower Court between West Street and Tower Street near Seven Dials (see Stanford's 1864 Map http://london1864 DOTcom/stanford20b.htm and compare with any modern street map) White Horse Yard was almost directly over the road from The Theatre Royal Drury Lane and in the parish of St Clement Danes. The whole Lumber Court area was one of the very worst 'rookeries' in London at the time (and that's saying something!) and so it would be easy for a single family to be missed. On the other hand I've looked at the census pages and some of them are virtually illegible and so the Scott's may be there but very hard to identify.
Well this is one of those conundrums we come across. There is a Burial for an Ellen Scott of Lumber Court in St Giles in the Fields 27 December 1840. She was 1 year 1 month old. It's not so unusual for a family to baptise another child with the same name if an earlier one had died and this may be the explanation. P.S. I'd better not tell you that there is also a burial for an Ellen Scott of York Place in St Giles on 3rd October 1847 and that her age was 5 years 6 months. My head is now spinning a bit so that makes 3 of us so far!!! .
Got them! Piece 673, Book: 19, Folio: 41, Page Number: 75 at Lumber Court Immediately below Julia Donovan. Thomas has been transcribed as John, Jane as Jas and there is an older woman, possibly his his mother, but not b Scotland, Mary age 60. The Scott looks like it has been over written but his occupation is clearly baker and place of birth S
Oh, well done you! I've seen that census page so many times today... it just didn't click. Of course it's obvious now that you mention it.
Oh well done Londoner. Like Bay Horse I've looked at that page a couple of times today but nothing lit up up top!! Wow - that was a good hunt .
Thank you all so very much! Also well done Londoner, I don't think I would ever have found them. So pleased too that you all enjoyed the hunt!