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Parish Apprentice

Discussion in 'Apprenticeships' started by Chimp, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Chimp

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    What is meant if a said persons occupation is entered as 'Parish Apprentice' ?

    What is their job - apprentice to what? Is there a way of finding out?
     
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    I wonder if they have been apprenticed to their master at the instigation of the Parish Guardians? If so, there should be a record in the Guardians' Minutes.

    If this is from a census, do you have a census reference, please?
     
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    No, it's from a baptism. The mother (single) is entered as a 'Parish Apprentice'
     
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    In that case, maybe she was sent out as an apprentice by the Guardians, became pregnant and is hanging on to that job title for a modicum of respectability. I still reckon that the Guardians' Minutes could hold the clue.

    Have you found her in a census before or after this event?
     
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    The birth was in 1822, so no census before. Not sure if she is in a census after as I don't know her age at the time of her childs birth - nothing much to go on.
     
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    There is a probable in 1841 but nothing concrete.
     
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    Just found this:
    Parish (or pauper) apprentices. The Statute of Apprentices of 1563 gave powers to two justices of the peace to bind out as apprentices the children of paupers, vagrants and of those "overburdened by children". A further Act in 1593 allowed the overseers of the poor to raise a rate to pay their premiums.

    So, it looks like the Guardians' Minutes could be the way to go. Such records used to be kept in the Parish Chest of the Parish Church, but most are now held by the County Record Offices.
     
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    This is all to do with Elizabeth Morris the girl transported to Australia for stealing. (if you think it should be added to that thread then please feel fre to move it)

    I have just found that probable 1841 census HO107 Piece 145, Book 6, Folio 8, Page 15

    Elizabeth's mother was (I think) Margaret Morris. In the 1841 census Margaret Morris is with her mother Elizabeth Williams and some other members of the Morris family.

    There is a baptism for a Mary Morris on 16th October 1825. It says mother is Margaret Morris - inmate with Elizabeth Williams her mother.

    There is also a John Morris baptised in 1829 to a Margaret Morris - Spinster.

    Both children, Mary and John, are with Margaret and her mother on the 1841 census. Elizabeth Morris is missing for obvious reasons. (she's travelling the world :D )

    I think you may be right about her being dealt with by the guardians.
     
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    Children of the poor were given an apprenticeship paid for by the parish (child labour). The parish being responsible for the poor and unemployed.
    (Oliver Twist being a Parish apprentice with an undertaker before he ran away to join a gang of pickpockets.)
     
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    Thank you AM. Looks like Elizabeth Morris joined Olivers gang :D
     
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    On the 1841 census there are 4 other members of the Morris family living with Margaret Morris and her mother Elizabeth Williams.

    Ann Morris 1821 Radnorshire, Wales
    Mary Morris 1826 Radnorshire, Wales
    John Morris 1829 Radnorshire, Wales
    William Morris 1835 Radnorshire, Wales

    I have found baptisms for all these children and they are to a single woman, Margaret Morris.
     
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    This was written by a friend of mine many years ago - you may find it interesting.

    The Poor Law Act of 1597 allowed Overseers of the Poor to administer relief to the poor of each parish. The Overseers were 2 or 3 ‘substantial householders’ of the parish who worked, together with the church wardens to set the poor rate, organise its collection and allocate relief for the poor. The amount of poor rate to be paid was based on the value of owned or leased property.
    It was the Overseers responsibility to provide materials to provide work for the able-bodied and to provide for the old, blind and lame etc. who could not be expected to work.
    Orphans or children of poor families or widows could be a problem because they had no-one to support them so the Overseers and Churchwardens had powers to put them out as Parish Apprentices.
    The age at which this could be done has varied at different times but it was usually between 7 and 10 years of age until the age of 21 (or until marriage for a girl).
    The children could be apprenticed to various trades but in a rural parish they were mainly apprenticed to husbandry or housewifery on farms. Many were just unpaid servants. Landowners could assign them to one of their tenants if they wished
    When the parish wanted to bind a poor child the parishioner chosen to be master or mistress had no choice but to take the child or pay a fine to be excused. Relatives sometimes took an orphaned, illegitimate or poor member of their family as an apprentice.
    If the master of an apprentice moved the apprentice would move with them. Masters could, by law, correct and chastise their apprentice for neglect of duty of misbehaviour as long as it was ‘in moderation’ and if an apprentice ran off the justices could issue writs to have them returned.

    Ann
     
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