Williams & Wooding.

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  1. Archie's Mum

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    Just a coincidence then.
     
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    Yep, and he isn't appearing on the 1911 census in Knighton because his headquarters was in Llandrindood.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Woo Hoo!!!
    Owen Williams was Tom Nortons buyer...........
    Radnoreshire Appeals Tribunal, LLandrinod Wells Cases .....The Express Thursday June 1 1916. Will get back with a link, hopefully.
     
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    Woo Hoo indeed Sue, great find :)
     
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    page 7 of the above newspaper. Mr Norton had employed some 28 men 23 having gone off to war and it was an appeal against 4 men for military service. Owen Williams name was mentioned as the buyer, stock-keeper and manager of the garage. The other two were David Dakin, clerk and accountant and William Thomas James, assistant window dresser. Also Robert Williamson advertising manager.
     
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    Found it, thanks Sue. Looks like when the depression after WW1 came along Tom Norton let go of some of his businesses, one being the Norton Arms one. I suppose as Owen Williams had almost been running the place he decided to buy Tom out.
     
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    So if Owen did lose the appeal then he would have a WW1 record :)
     
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    I haven't seen one for him. But I know Albert Wooding was in the army.

    The Brecon County Times - 5th October 1916
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    Well found AM:)
     
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    Good one AM!:)
     
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    Have now received Owen Williams's Will. Thank goodness for strange names.

    The will.
    I OWEN WILLIAMS of The Motor Depot Knighton hereby revoke all former wills and codicils made by me and declare this to be my last will I appoint my sister Jane Williams spinster of Berw Villa Llanfairfechan to be the executrix and trustee of this my will I bequeath the sum of one hundred pounds to my sister Mary Ann Jorss of Nelson Villa Llanfairfechan such legacy to be paid free of all duty The residue of my estate both real and personal I give and bequeath to my sister Jane Williams of Berw Villa Llanfairfechan absolutely Should my said sister not survive me I give and bequeath such residue of my estate to my brother John Henry Williams of "The Rise' Westfa Road, Uplands, Swansea or his issue IN WITNESS whereof I have to this my will set my hand this 22nd day of October one thousand nine hundred and thirty five.

    1939 register
    Nelson Villa , Llanfairfechan, Caernarvonshire

    Henry Jorss, 24 Apr 1869, Male, Boatman Fisherman, Married
    Mary A Jorss, 10 Aug 1869, Female, Apartment House Keeper, Married

    FMP have the marriage (transcribed as Jones & Williams, original says Jorss)

    Marriage date: 1st February 1899, Christ Church Llanfairfechan, Caernarvonshire
    Groom: Henry Adolph Franklin Jorss, Bach, age 29, 1870, Boat Proprietor.
    Abode: Nelson Villa , Llanfairfechan, Caernarvonshire
    Father's name: Henry Franklin Jorss, Merchant
    Spouse: Mary Ann Williams,, Spin, age 29, 1870
    Abode: Victoria Inn, Llanfairfechan, Caernarvonshire
    Spouse's father's name: Moses Williams, Inn Keeper

    1891 Census
    Victoria Inn, Glanllyn Terrace, Llanfairfechan, Bangor, Caernarvonshire

    Moses, Williams, Head, 1844, Licensed Victualler, Llanfihangel, Anglesey, Wales
    Mary Williams, Wife, 1843
    Mary A Williams, Daughter, 1870
    Richard Williams, Son, 1874, Clerk In A Bank, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
    Owen, Williams, Son, 1877, Scholar, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
    Jane, Williams, Daughter, 1883, Caernarvonshire, Wales
    John Henry, Williams, Son, 1886, Caernarvonshire, Wales
     
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    I know it doesn't add anything much to the overall picture but
    North Wales Chronicle 4th February 1899
    On Wednesday 1st inst., at Christ Church Llanfairfechan by the Rev K J Owen, Henry A. F. Jorss, the only son of the late Henry F. Jorss of Leeds, to Mary A. Williams, the eldest daughter of Mr Moses Williams, Victoria Inn, Llanfairfechan.

     
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    It does add info Ann, it corroborates the marriage and surname.
     
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    They were at the Victoria Inn in 1881 as well
    RG11/5580/43/13

    This might be Owen in Altringham in 1901 RG13/3321/67/12
    A boarder b1877 Treborth, Caernarvon - Ironmongers assistant
     
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    Jane was at Berw Villa in 1939 born 27/1/1883

    Moses, Mary, Richard, Jane and John Henry are there in 1901
    RG13/5283/41/35
     
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    It looks like Moses died in 1902 (March qtr 1902 Bangor 11b 354)
    Mary (wid) and Jane are at Berw Villa in 1911 RG14 PN34506 SN120
     
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    Thank you very much MollyMay :)

    I wonder if this was Owen.

    Cardiff Times - 27th August 1892
    LOST ON A WELSH MOUNTAIN,
    The North Wales papers on Saturday report an exciting night search after a lad, aged 16, son of Mr Williams, of the Victoria Inn, Llanfairfechan. A party set out for Carnedd Llewellyn. A fog came down, and at four o'clock it was decided to send the boy back on a small Welsh pony. Unfortunately he lost his way in the mist, and deviated in the direction of Aber Lake. He wandered about for hours on the mountain, and then, fearing he would fall over a precipice in the darkness, got off his pony, and passing the reins through his arm, remained there all night. In the meantime his patents, accompanied by P.C. Pugh, organised a search party. They, too, passed the night on the mountain, and returned without finding the lad. At daybreak he was able to strike a course for Llaufairfechan, where he arrived safely at 9 a.m.


    1939 register says he was born 2 Sep 1876, take that from the date of the paper, he would be 6 days shy of his 16th birthday.

    The only other close to his age was Richard, his brother, who would have been 18.
     
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    Could be, but hard to tell. There are 16 Owen Williams's births registered in the Bangor Reg. Dist. in 1876-7.
     
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    You could be right after all. Moses probate names Owen as a Iron-mongers assistant.

    Moses died 9th March 1902
     
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