Do you think I have the right man?
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nile
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I'm just new to all this and I found this thread (and very nice forum) on a google search. Jane Kerr Clark had a half brother, Alfred Wyness Nile Clark, born around 1895, when Agnes Clark was around 44.
According to family tradition Alfred was born on Andrew Auld Clark's ship, called the Nile, hence the 2nd middle name. He was a month premature so they couldn't make it to the nearest port in time, which was Valparaiso in Chile. He is in the 1891 census at the age of 6, living in Birkenhead with Agnes. Alfred's place of birth is given as Valparaiso bay on the census.
Andrew is said to have run away to sea at the age of 13. His father was Thomas Clark, a railway worker according to the marriage record of Andrew and Agnes in 1883
There is an Andrew Clark, born Ayr, 1948, in the Lloyds captains register at the London Metropolitan Archives (indexed here http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsC.pdf). Seems to have had a long career, which would explain his absence from the census records.
I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience of looking at shipping records, especially of obtaining copies if you're not able to get to London. It would be cool to find some record of Alfred's birth.
According to family tradition Alfred was born on Andrew Auld Clark's ship, called the Nile, hence the 2nd middle name. He was a month premature so they couldn't make it to the nearest port in time, which was Valparaiso in Chile. He is in the 1891 census at the age of 6, living in Birkenhead with Agnes. Alfred's place of birth is given as Valparaiso bay on the census.
Andrew is said to have run away to sea at the age of 13. His father was Thomas Clark, a railway worker according to the marriage record of Andrew and Agnes in 1883
There is an Andrew Clark, born Ayr, 1948, in the Lloyds captains register at the London Metropolitan Archives (indexed here http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsC.pdf). Seems to have had a long career, which would explain his absence from the census records.
I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience of looking at shipping records, especially of obtaining copies if you're not able to get to London. It would be cool to find some record of Alfred's birth.
Family search have a death registration for Alfred Wyness N Clark (it gives an actual date of birth)
Alfred Wyness N Clark
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1984
Registration District Bodmin
County Cornwall
Event Place Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 18 Mar 1895
Volume 21
Page 14
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I found him on the 1901 census ED13, Piece 3396, Folio 174, Page 7 at home with his Mum in Birkenhead. I can't find him or Agnes on the 1911 census.
FMP has his WW1 service record and it states on there that he was was born "on board ship Nile in the harbour of Valparaiso, Chile". He was living in Kensington, London at the time of signing up on 17 March 1917 (I think th e year is 1917). His age is given as 17 years 11 months.
An Alfred W N Clark is on the 1939 Register at Worthing M.B., Sussex, England on FMP, but I am unable to view it.
FMP has his WW1 service record and it states on there that he was was born "on board ship Nile in the harbour of Valparaiso, Chile". He was living in Kensington, London at the time of signing up on 17 March 1917 (I think th e year is 1917). His age is given as 17 years 11 months.
An Alfred W N Clark is on the 1939 Register at Worthing M.B., Sussex, England on FMP, but I am unable to view it.
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The national archives have the medal card for Andrew Clark b. 1848 Ayr. You can download a copy for £3.50
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7992149
If these are your family and you would like a picture of their grave I am more than happy to get one for you.
Grave Ref: G37
CLARK Agnes, 1851 - 1930, age 79
GOODWIN Ellen, 1845 - 1928, age 83
Grave Ref: K25
GOODWIN William Tuder E, 1881 - 1917, age 36
GOODWIN Jane Kerr, 1880 - 1960, age 80
GOODWIN Ethel Agnes, 1910 - 1910, age 0
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7992149
If these are your family and you would like a picture of their grave I am more than happy to get one for you.
Grave Ref: G37
CLARK Agnes, 1851 - 1930, age 79
GOODWIN Ellen, 1845 - 1928, age 83
Grave Ref: K25
GOODWIN William Tuder E, 1881 - 1917, age 36
GOODWIN Jane Kerr, 1880 - 1960, age 80
GOODWIN Ethel Agnes, 1910 - 1910, age 0
nile
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Thanks very much Chimp! Alfred Clark was my grandfather. I'd be very grateful to see a photo of these graves.
It seems he was issued with Mercantile Marine and British Medal ribbons in 1920. It doesn't say what for (there is some unreadable text but I think it's an address).
nile
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I think he joined in 1913, which would fit better with the age given. I think he's the one in the middle at the back of this photo:
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I will get them for you in the morning.
If, in the mean time, you click on my picture....select from the little box that appears 'Start a Conversation' (this will be a private conversation) and send me your email address. I will forward the pictures as soon as I get them.
Archie's Mum
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And here he is in 1956:
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE 2 January 1956
Alfred Wyness Nile Clark Esq,
Assistant Principal Clark, Board of Inland Revenue
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In the Births at Sea 1854-1960 in the year 1895 it just says the Name of Ship is Nile, Name Clark and Month 5.
The New Year Honours 1956 were appointments in many of the Commonwealth realms of Queen Elizabeth II to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries. They were announced on 2 January 1956 to celebrate the year passed and mark the beginning of 1956
Alfred Wyness Nile Clark, Assistant Principal Clerk, Board of Inland Revenue received the Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) in the Civil Division
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
And guess what?
I didn't look to see what it was all about...
I have a cuz with one of those gongs, for Military Service. He is MM MBE. (Military Medal)
I didn't look to see what it was all about...
I have a cuz with one of those gongs, for Military Service. He is MM MBE. (Military Medal)
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Like Holmes and WatsonWe found it between us AM. One of the great assets of this forum is team work
Alfred Wyness Nile Clark
Private 1608 of the 15th London Regiment. 18th March 1915 - 27th December 1915
Private 530144 of the 15th London Regiment. 15th April 1918 - 20th January 1919
15th (County of London) Battalion (P.W.O. Civil Service Rifles)
Alfred signed up on 17th March 1913 for a period of 4 years. He re-engaged on 17th March 1918.
He was transferred to the 8th Battalion, East Surrey Regiment. on 20th April 1918. He was then transferred back to the 15th London Regiment on 14th May 1918.
He received the British War Medal and Victory Medal he also received the 1914-15 Star for his time as Private 1608.
Alfred and Muriel are on the in the 1936 London, Electoral Registers, living at 56, Lankers Drive, North Harrow
An Ancestry tree has Alfred dying on 26 Jan 1984 in Bodmin, Cornwall
Private 1608 of the 15th London Regiment. 18th March 1915 - 27th December 1915
Private 530144 of the 15th London Regiment. 15th April 1918 - 20th January 1919
15th (County of London) Battalion (P.W.O. Civil Service Rifles)
Alfred signed up on 17th March 1913 for a period of 4 years. He re-engaged on 17th March 1918.
He was transferred to the 8th Battalion, East Surrey Regiment. on 20th April 1918. He was then transferred back to the 15th London Regiment on 14th May 1918.
He received the British War Medal and Victory Medal he also received the 1914-15 Star for his time as Private 1608.
Alfred and Muriel are on the in the 1936 London, Electoral Registers, living at 56, Lankers Drive, North Harrow
An Ancestry tree has Alfred dying on 26 Jan 1984 in Bodmin, Cornwall