John George Tyrell

Elma

Elma

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I am not sure I dare post this as it links to a recent post of mine Theresa Connell who had married Ernest Meyer in 1876 and we were trying to find out what happened after that.
Now I am looking at Theresa's sister Sarah Connell who also married in 1876 and the same thing, the husband never turns up again! I have a feeling this one may be a bit harder but thought it was worth putting to the experts for their valued opinion.

John George Tyrell, 21, Bachelor, Sculpture, 15 Hawley Road West, Father Thomas Tyrell, Coach Maker.
Sarah Connell, 24, Spinster, ---. 15 Hawley Road West, Father John Connell, Tailor.

Married on the 4 Dec 1876 at The Parish Church, Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill.JGT.jpg

Again I don't know what happened to John George Tyrell I think I have found Sarah (although not convincingly). A possible 1911 census, if it's her, says she was widowed and had two children both dead Class: RG14; Piece: 2060.
It all seems a strange coincidence to me.
 
So far out here Elizabeth, not having found the males said to have married the Connell Girls, I wondered if they did so to have them appear married in English churches having come from a Catholic background? -I know...too far out. :(
One John George Tyrrell b.1855 Hoo, Kent to Thomas & Jane but married to another lady on 'trees'- Phillis Ann Tassell in 1883.
Marriage Date:8 Sep 1883
Marriage Place: St. Paul'S, Chatham, Kent, England
not looked at City Ark for this yet.

2 births for a John George:
Tyrrell John George Camberwell 1d473
Births Mar 1855
Turrell John George Medway 2a-273
No obvious Sussex ones.
 
Thanks they were catholic Wendy! The Camberwell birth may be a possibility for John George Tyrrell. I will go off and look up that family tree too, thank you (perhaps I had better get up first though)!
 
Amle said:
What is cityark?
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It's this absolutely wonderful part of the Medway, Kent government website called Cityark (Medway Ancestors) and has heaps and heaps of Kent original parish registers that you can view for absolutely nothin':D
Code: 
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList=
 
Sis said:
It's this absolutely wonderful part of the Medway, Kent government website called Cityark (Medway Ancestors) and has heaps and heaps of Kent original parish registers that you can view for absolutely nothin':D
Code: 
http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList=
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Bless them, the most amazing [ & surprising] thing to come out of Kent, apart from some of it's people ;)
 
I'm wondering about this one, Amle.

1871, St Pancras. RG10; Piece: 228; Folio: 62; Page: 36;
Mary Lawton 86, head, Ireland
Maria Lawton 60, dau, Ireland
John Lawton 48, son, sculptor, Ireland
John C Okelly 25, nephew, sculptor, Ireland
John G Tyrrel 14, nephew, Ireland
Kate Tyrrel 7, niece, Middlesex, London
Stephen Tyrrel 4, nephew, Middlesex, London.

And possibly the same guy in 1881.
Greenham, Berkshire. RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 56; Page: 20
William Knight 31
Elizebth Knight 30
Grace Knight 2
Bertha Knight
John G. Tyrell 24, boarder, married, stone carver, Dublin Ireland
 
Kate from 1871 census #8. Note Lawton (1871) probably misread for Lawlor

1881, St Pancras, RG11; Piece: 211; Folio: 41; Page: 11
Mary Lawlor 92, widow, annuitant, Ireland
Maria Lawlor 70, dau, unmar, annuitant, Ireland
John Lawlor 59, son, unmar, sculptor in marble, Ireland
Kate Tyrrell 16, grand dau, scholar, St Pancras

1911, Lambeth. RG14; Piece: 1993
Thomas Tyrrell 53, sculptor and teacher of modelling, Dublin St Andrews
Marian Tyrrell 39
Thomas Walter Tyrrell 19
Percy James Tyrrell 18
Arthur Tyrrell 17
Norman Frederick Tyrrell 13
Catherine Tyrrell 45, sister, single, Camden Town

Is Thomas John G's brother?
Name: Thomas Tyrrell
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1858
Baptism Date: 3 May 1858
Baptism Place: St Andrew's, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place: 8 Denzille St
Parish Variants: St. Andrew's, Westland Row, Westland Row
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Thos
Mother: Eliza Lawlor
 
1891, Lambeth. RG12; Piece: 409; Folio: 138; Page: 36;
Elizabeth Tyrrell 63, widow, Dublin
Catherine Tyrrell 25, dau, shop assistant, Camden Town
William Tyrrell 24, son, sculptor, Camden Town
Maria Lawlor 85, sister, Dublin

1901, Clapham. RG13; Piece: 464; Folio: 129; Page: 3
William Tyrrell 34, stone carver mason, St Martins Lane, London
Elizabeth Tyrrell 75, mother, wid, living on own means, Ireland
Catherine Tyrrell 36, sister, dressmaker, London
John Lawlor 78, uncle, sculptor, Ireland
 
This is getting very interesting following this thread, not having anything to contribute but this........
I'm wondering if these two men married these sisters for convenience sake...simply to appear married.....
What I'm trying to say or ask is......were these places, St Martins Lane etc Bohemian?
 
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I don't know where Sarah was born, if St Pancras could this be her in 1881
RG11; Piece: 181; Folio: 115; Page: 62
Sarah Tyrrell 29, married, St Pancras.

Possible deaths to consider.
Name: John George Tyrrell
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Camberwell
Volume: 1d
Page: 682

Name: Sarah Tyrrell
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Volume: 1d
Page: 150
 
There is a couple John and Sarah Tyrell who appear together on 1881 and 1891 census'. They have daughters Ethel 1877 and Mable 1880 both born St Pancras. In 1901 They appear again but only with John, their father. This is John Tyrell, zoo keeper born Hedingham. Residence is Hawley Road.
 
Archie's Mum said:
There is a couple John and Sarah Tyrell who appear together on 1881 and 1891 census'. They have daughters Ethel 1877 and Mable 1880 both born St Pancras. In 1901 They appear again but only with John, their father. This is John Tyrell, zoo keeper born Hedingham. Residence is Hawley Road.
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Just to rule the above out and probably the Sarah Tyrell death in 1893 post #14, the 1881 census also mentions Elizabeth Clark, mother. There is a marriage in Pancras Sept 1874 of John Tyrell to Sarah Clark 1b 213
 
If Thomas Tyrrell was John G.'s brother, he was quite a prestigious sculptor. Take a look at
http://
sculpture.gla.ac.uk/view/person.php?id=msib2_1219853286
 
Mealymoo said:
I'm wondering about this one, Amle.

1871, St Pancras. RG10; Piece: 228; Folio: 62; Page: 36;
Mary Lawton 86, head, Ireland
Maria Lawton 60, dau, Ireland
John Lawton 48, son, sculptor, Ireland
John C Okelly 25, nephew, sculptor, Ireland
John G Tyrrel 14, nephew, Ireland
Kate Tyrrel 7, niece, Middlesex, London
Stephen Tyrrel 4, nephew, Middlesex, London.

And possibly the same guy in 1881.
Greenham, Berkshire. RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 56; Page: 20
William Knight 31
Elizebth Knight 30
Grace Knight 2
Bertha Knight
John G. Tyrell 24, boarder, married, stone carver, Dublin Ireland
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Mealymoo said:
I'm wondering about this one, Amle.

1871, St Pancras. RG10; Piece: 228; Folio: 62; Page: 36;
Mary Lawton 86, head, Ireland
Maria Lawton 60, dau, Ireland
John Lawton 48, son, sculptor, Ireland
John C Okelly 25, nephew, sculptor, Ireland
John G Tyrrel 14, nephew, Ireland
Kate Tyrrel 7, niece, Middlesex, London
Stephen Tyrrel 4, nephew, Middlesex, London.

And possibly the same guy in 1881.
Greenham, Berkshire. RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 56; Page: 20
William Knight 31
Elizebth Knight 30
Grace Knight 2
Bertha Knight
John G. Tyrell 24, boarder, married, stone carver, Dublin Ireland
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Wow thanks Mealymoo, this looks so promising, now my brain is in overdrive. Who are the Lawton's. I feel the name is familiar and as for a connection with Berkshire, it looks like Sarah's brother in law was there when he was charged with murder. I have just woken up and you've all been working hard whilst I was away, thank you. I'll have to wake up fast.
 
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