Lipman Lipman or Lewis Lipman? what one is my 4th Great Grandad? HELP PLEASE!

Lipman Eliezer Lipman
1800–1874
BIRTH 1800 • Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
DEATH 01 AUG 1874 • Aldgate, London, England
I originally thought the above person was my 4th Great Grandad.
I thought he was the father of Jonas Lipman.
Jonas Lipman (3rd Great Grandad)
1825–1887
BIRTH 1825 • Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
DEATH 1887 • 7 Bury St, St Mary Axe, London, Middlesex, United Kingdom
I have a marriage cert that claims Lewis Lipman is in fact the father of Jonas Lipman.
Lewis Eliezar Leipman
1789–1883
BIRTH ABOUT 1789 • 1 Cutler St, Aldgate Middlesex London England
DEATH 30 MAY 1883 • 30 Cutler Street, Aldgate, London
Lewis Lipman is Lipman Eliezer Lipmans brother.

I have conflicting evidence - please see this link from a professional genealogist that claims Lipman Lipman to be the father of Jonas. Please see link provided.

http://www.theartofrandomology.co.uk/genealogy/page051.php

Please see below the Marriage certificate of Jonas Lipman to Rachel Jacobs that clearly says Lewis Lipman is the father of Jonas Lipman.



I can not find any census that states either Lewis or Lipman as the father of Jonas?

PLEASE HELP.

Thanks
Nick

 

Please see below - This clearly says Jonas Lipman son of Lipman Lipman Publican. Jonas Lipman - Fruit Dealer - he was an Orange Merchant.

 

1849 to Rachael Jacobs - That is my Jonas Lipman.
I know that Lipman Lipman married twice but to a Catherine Sanders and a Rebecca Nathan. How reliant is a Marriage cert over a Freedom of the City cert?
Could Lewis have lied on the Freedom of City cert saying Lipman Lipman was his father? It clearly says on his marriage cert Lewis Lipman?

 

So we def think Lewis is the father? I have this for Lewis Lipman that claims he occupies Phil's Buildings in Hounsdich as a Coffee House Keeper and a beer retailer in 1856, could this be him?

 

Thanks so much! Would you happen to have the 1851 census to forward to me? I would really appreciate this for my records. Thanks again!

 

Thanks Terry!

 

Terry, The 1851 census says that he is living at 129 Phils Buildings, Clothes Exchange, the freedom of the city cert 1856 does state the same address BUT
it also says Lewis Lipmans father was John Lipman. This is not true, his father and Lipman Lipman's father is indeed -
Michael Lipman
1759–1848
BIRTH 1759 • Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
DEATH 1848 • Whitechapel, Middlesex, England




Which makes me think that this cert might be more accurate? - Would this address stated Middlesex St, Publican, 13 Exchange Sq not be Lipman Lipmans address? as his pub was in middlesex st..

The plot thickens!..

 

Im a little confussed (easy for me!) so whos address do we think 13 exchange sq is?Lipman Lipman or Lewis? i would have thought that is Lipmans address and not Lewis's?

 

Lewis & Lipman's father is Michael Lipman - below.



But the freedom of the city cert for LEWIS states that his father is John Lipman from Glasgow? on the same freedom of the city cert it states that
Lewis is indeed occupying Phil's Buildings as a coffee house keeper.
Please see below.



Something isnt quite right?

 

I have them on the 1861 census below.

with his wife Catherine Lipman

 

Hi, The Freedom cert for Jonas that i have says that he was a fruit dealer, thats how i know he is my Jonas, it also indicates Lipman Lipman as being a Publican.